Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Atheist lies!?

Over at Today Christian, they posted an article about the supposed lies of atheists. Admittedly, I'm not having very high hopes for the article since it's titled in the grammatically incorrect manner of '5 Lies Atheist Tell'. Who wants to be the one to tell that that the plural of atheist is not atheist? Let's get to this list shall we...

1. The Biggest One- THERE IS NO GOD.
They would have no problem telling a dying child there is NO God. Clearly they have no idea if there is or there isn’t. They assume their conclusion is the only right one.
There are so many problem here I'm not sure where to begin... most atheists don't even say that there is no god. So right of the bat, the title should now be '5 Things Some Atheists Say'. Similarly, most atheists wouldn't go up and tell a dying child that is a believer that there is no God. I'd rather the child die in that bubble of false comfort than to do as the author is suggesting.

They claim that atheists say that there is no God, but that simply isn't true. Most of us either say that there probably isn't a God, or that we simply don't believe in God. Few of us go as far as saying that there absolutely isn't a God.

But the biggest problem here is that what they are claiming here is impossible! They are claiming that atheists lie when saying there is no God. But a lie is willful and knowing deception. In order to lie about there not being a God, you must know there is a God, and say that there isn't. But the thing is that if you know there is a God, then you aren't an atheist at all! It's pretty embarrassing that their biggest point is self contradictory.

2. They say they have “Open Minds”.

We know that is not the case. When presented with spiritual issues they always dismiss it as fictitious, invalid or unsupported stories.
Sorry, but this isn't even close to true. I, and most atheists, do have an open mind. The reason we still disbelieve when a believer offers a story of a personal 'spiritual experience' is that they have simply failed to provide compelling evidence. The same is true of belief in prayer, etc. I am open to being wrong about prayer or the after-life, but until I see evidence that these things are true, I won't believe. This doesn't make me close-minded. My mind remains open to the possibility, I simply withhold judgement until belief can be justified.

I also find it rather ironic that a Christian page is accusing atheists of being close-minded. Every single time I have asked a Christian what could change their mind, they tell me 'nothing'. When I've asked if they think there is any chance they are wrong, the reply is always 'no'. If anyone is close-minded, it is the believer that refuses any possibility of fault. Not the atheist that simply wants proof.

3. Christianity teaches you to not think.
Atheist assume that the Bible soemhow [sic] teaches Christians to not use your brain. This is clearly not the case.

“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” (Hos 4:6)
“For wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her” (Prov 8:11)
“Buy the truth and do not sell it; get wisdom, discipline, and understanding” (Prov 23:23)
This sounds pretty anti-thinking to me...
Okay, there are some verses that seem to approve of knowledge. But that's the thing about the Bible... There are also verses that suggest the very opposite as well.
“Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.” – John 20: 29

“God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise” - 1 Corinthians 1:27
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” - 1 Corinthians 2:5
So we have a book that sends some very mixes messages. But then lets remember how many times a
Christian  has said that if there is a conflict between the Bible and science, that they must reject the science in favor of the Bible. Obviously not all Christians are this way, but science denial is pretty anti-thinking to me. Allowing thinking, so long as it's only within the confines of the Bible is still a restriction on thinking.

4. Science exists despite religion.
Truth: Science exists specifically because of religion. The scientific method comes from studying philosophy and Newtonian physics comes from studying astronomy. Religion caused people to study both philosophy and astronomy.
This one actually made me laugh. Science is not a product of religion. Especially Christianity. Science is far, far older than Christianity, and can be traced back to as far back as mankind has ever had questions and tried to find out the answers. Sure science now is more advanced, but science is and always has been a product of curiosity. Curiosity that religion has many a time tried to extinguish. Just look at the church's treatment of Galileo.

5. They Don’t Care If There Is Or Isn’t A God.
Deep down inside of everyone’s heart there is a missing element that is always questioning, searching and longing to find God. They may try to ignore it but it still remains there.
Talk about absurd! I'd say that I care very much about the question of if there is a God or not. That's why we ask the question in the first place. That's why we do the research, why we ask the hard questions. If there is a God, I certainly want to know, so I'd say that the truth is actually the opposite of what Today Christian claims.

As is usually the case, we find another Christian list about atheists to be wholly flawed and false. Why am I not surprised that this one is no different...

-Brain Hulk

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